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It happened. I saw it. I love it! What do yall think?


I am really looking forward to more, and I'm also hoping to see some crossover fics here soon.

Agree. One issue with one thing, but it was fantastic. Epic when it needed to be, and family-clark when it needed to be.

Dark and light.

My issue is any kind of mental illness should be handled with care. I have a family member who killed herself and using suicide attempt as a bonding point did not sit well, since it wasn't handled well at all.

The rest was super.

I thoroughly enjoyed the pilot episode, and I loved all of the Easter eggs - including the one for Lois & Clark.

L, I am sorry about your family member; I can understand how this would be a difficult and sensitive subject for you.

The show has a lot of potential, and I am looking forward to seeing how future episodes play out.

- Lynn

I too liked the Pilot episode, for the most part. I didn't see the Easter egg for L&C, it must have been subtle. I watched the "making of" show afterward and was kind of angry at them for saying that seeing Lois and Clark like this is a first for the characters on TV! They must have L&C blindness because L & C was all about the relationship and they would have had a family if they hadn't canceled the show. Also, I don't know why General Sam Lane is in on the secret when his own children were not. I, at least at this time, can't see any reason why he would trust Lois's father, a member of the military, with the secret. I hope they explain that in future episodes. I also agree with L, the whole taking mom's pills thing seemed like it was thrown in there to make her seem sympathetic but it just seemed creepy to me.
Ray

Hi Ray,

The L&C Easter Egg I found is in the spoiler...


While I agree that L&C would have broken new ground with parenting if it had been given another season, it unfortunately did not have the opportunity to break that ground. Therefore, I agree with the article that S&L was the first venue outside the comics (or fanfic) in which we actually get to see our favourite couple parenting.

- Lynn

I liked it too. It's got potential.

I was delighted with the pilot. While this Lois & Clark have appeared in Supergirl and featured in last year’s crossover event the show clearly starts 14 years after that event.

I thoroughly enjoyed it. It definitely wasn’t what I was expecting and definitely has potential to be really good.

Hmmm, I am alone in saying that although the show has tremendous potential, yet it did not sit well with me and it is doubtful I will watch any further episodes. Dislike the way the showrunners have twisted things. Jordan's interaction with Lana's daughter seemed forced and poorly set up. Mental illness should be handled with greater sensitivity. The fight at the party stereotypical. Jordan was kissing his girlfriend? Really?
Yup, loved the L&C reference! Its a shame Martha will not be around.

Morgan Edge will bear watching. Captain Luthor?

It is a pity that L&C did not have the technology for special effects that this show has. Imagine how cool the Nightfall asteroid episode would have been!

In the timeline they appear to be in Jon Cryer was Lex Luthor so I think this Luthor is from one of timelines that was destroyed during the Crisis on Infinite Earths.


L&C had much better effects then those in the 1953 Adventures of Superman season 2 episode 12 Panic in the Sky.

The CW has announced that Superman & Lois has been renewed for a second season.

I've really enjoyed this show so far. Really find the twist in canon that is General Sam Lane being in the know intriguing. It explains why he's not as out-right distrustful as Captain Luthor (or even comic book) General Lane. It does look like there's a bit of "golden childing" of Jonathan with Gen. Lane that I find both problematic and interesting in the same time. I loved the little moment Lois and Clark had near the end of the second episode after finding out that a majority of the world's kryptonite is in Lane's hands. Complex feelings and events at every turn and so fair I'm here for it. Kinda nervous about what happens with Jonathan and Jordan as Jor's powers begin to show up. Kinda also nervous about what their relationship dynamic ends up changing as Jonathan is pushed back in football terms.

I just watched the third episode and it looks like Jordan is going to be the only one with powers now. IF there are any powers in play with Jon's football prowess it has to be very subtle. I am disappointed with the introduction of the next two evil characters. The guy who photographed Lois with that woman and who also kidnapped her has (had???) powers of some sort and then at the end there is the woman with heat vision who kills the guy and tells someone (Edge) to alert the "team". Does this mean there are a whole host of superpowered bad guys now? This being only the third episode I hope they are not going "stupid". By this, I mean introducing characters and situations that insult my intelligence. I started watching Smallville years ago and quit after season 2 I believe for this same reason. I hope Superman and Lois doesn't go that route. L&C's Lex Luthor didn't need that. He was evil but he was human. Maybe it's the way the CW does things or maybe I'm being intolerant.

I like the way this show is subverting where I think it's going. Any other show in the past would have ended that 3rd episode with Jordan learning to "be himself" and leave the footballing to his brother; having Jonathan and Clark both supporting him in the end is so nice and refreshing! ^.^

I'm wondering if clones have already been attempted in this universe. Clearly, Superman has been around for a while.

Yes, sorta. In Supergirl, we had both a bizarro Version of SG (maybe can be compared with Vatman but more dumb, with "morrored" powers, like heat breath and freeze Vision etc.). And there was the "Red Daughter", a phenomenon where Kara is "split" in two different individuals, one remaining there and one somehow getting to Russia. Both died, in case of RD merged with Kara (though that has seemingly no consequences).
However, given that Superman and Lois doesn't seem to care about SG continuity and characterizations, it's hard to know.

To add to what BlindPassenger said, we also don't know about clones in this universe because Crisis more-or-less gave the creators a free slate to change almost anything they want. As far as I know, we haven't seen any clones post-Crisis.

Hey Ray,
Generally, it can be said that on the CW Shows, most of the antagonists in Shows featuring superpowerd heroes do have powers, too. So, Arrow and Batwoman fight humans, Flash metas, Supergirl Aliens etc. Human antagonists like Luthor (both versions) are more an exception than a normal Thing.
That can be anoying sometimes, especially now where we have them all on the same earth, but the potential here isn't used sometimes.
I can understand what you mean about Smallville, they had tons of superpowered People and 90% or so became crazy villains. Even ignoring the fact that it was never really explained why the kryptonite gave all the People different powers it makes no sense that everyone becomes a villain. To be fair, the later seasons of SV overcome that "Freak of the Week" Thing, and the variety of antagonists becomes broader. People said that watching the first and last seasons of SV is like watching two different Shows and I can admit to that. Wether this makes things better or worse everyone has to decife for themselves.
About the Heat-vision woman: Arrowverse Wiki credits her as "Leslie Larr" with the additional note that in the Comics there is a similarly named character who is a Kryptonian survivor. Given that Argo exists on Earth-Prime, too, it's possible that she's Kryptonian here, too, but I assume only time will tell. (I couldn't watch the episodes yet as they were not broadcasted yet here.)

I've watched it and so far have been mostly pleasantly surprised. The series has promise. I just hope they don't mess it up. I suspect the Jonathan character will eventually get at least some powers. I'm not really fond of the Jordan character so far. Hopefully how they write that character will improve. Or perhaps part of the reason is the actor playing Jordan. I really haven't gotten into watching the various CW series. I never got around to watching Arrow. I stopped watching the Supergirl series i believe after season two or maybe a bit before the season end. I don't remember. . So i probably won't notice if there are any vague crossover mentions. By they way, are there any particular episodes in the later Supergirl seasons that are good and worth watching? Any Superman appearances in either Arrow or Supergirl? Are those series on one of the streaming services?

They did an annual crossover event between all the series in the Arrowverse. The last one was the Crisis on Infinite Earths which leads into this series. There’s a list of the crossover episodes on the Arrowverse wiki website if you want to see the order they come. They do jump around between all the Arrowverse series so the webpage is the best place to start to find out the order in which you need to watch it.

Given that there's not a whole lot of original live-action Superman programming on right now, this isn't that bad. I don't understand the objection to having someone survive a suicide attempt. It means that the girl has serious issues, and maybe hanging with Jon and Jordan (and later, with Clark and Lois) will help her deal. I saw Jordan and Sarah bonding over the fact that they both have serious problems, not over her failed attempt to die. But that's just me, I guess.

I had a mother-in-law (she's now deceased) who was not in favor of me marrying her daughter. She tried for years to get my wife to "come to her senses" and go back "home" to her mom with the kids. So I think that General Sam Lane is the biggest villain I've seen on this show so far. He makes Captain Luthor (who at least has some justification for his actions) look like a grade-school crossing guard (a "lollipop man" to our friends across the pond).

I even like Lana, with all her insecurities and the strained relationship with her husband. I hope that their apparent reconciliation lasts and isn't just an artifact of a mild hangover. It appears that Morgan Edge has taken the traditional Lex Luthor role and run away with it.

And I'm with Ray - where are all these limited "supers" coming from, and who's building/creating/commanding them? The reason I quit watching Smallville was due to the "monster of the week" syndrome, the massive amounts of Kryptonite that fell in Smallville, and that anyone who learned what Clark could do (besides Chloe and Pete) died quickly and tragically. I also hope they don't go that route.

But I plan to watch it until they run me off. So far, overall, I like it. Mystery, uncertainty, hints of unknown powers and powered people, some serious intrigue with Edge, the boys dealing with being the Sons of Superman! It's a good mix, one which promises to be interesting as time goes by. We can only hope it stays interesting.

We have to wait until MAY!!??!! D:

SO irritating, isn't it?? I loved the little clois moments we got this time around. Poor Jonathan having a lot of angst associated with the move. I was kinda surprised with Clark giving Jon an out for being drunk and I do wonder what could become of that. I feel like there's a potential thread they've been planting for his arc associated with General Lane and that school they mentioned. I was really fascinated by the Captain Luthor/Lois connection there. Isn't there a pairing of that in the Silver Age (the Silver age Earth-3 I think)? I so feel sad for Luthor's AI. I was enjoying it's commentary. It's sad he's allowing his cognitive dissonance affect his judgement on things.

I'm wondering now: Lois is clearly familiar with Lex Luthor but doesn't recognize AltLex. Do you think they look different, or maybe she's simply never actually seen him? The latter would be harder to justify this day and age, but might make for an interesting Reveal setup for her.

The reason is that this Luthor Looks differently than the Earth-Prime Lex who's actually played by Jon Cryer. So it makes sense she doesn't recognizes him

Ahh, thanks! I haven't seen much of the other shows in this universe, so I didn't know.

Okay, this is getting intense. I'm thinking

I agree with you, Queenie.

I’ll also say that the tone of the show has changed dramatically from the pilot, which seemed to promise primarily a family drama with a bit of super on the side. I think the most recent episode was a pivot point, and that the remainder of this season will be a different type of show. (I am purposely being vague to keep this spoiler free.) I’m not sure whether the show will kick things up a notch or go downhill from here, but I am almost positive that it will feel like a different show than before. I’m keeping an open mind and hoping for the best.

Joy,
Lynn

I've been enjoying the balance of family drama and super drama. The family moments in particular feel like breathing points, which I appreciate. I love how they all clearly draw strength from each other. It's like the show is compensating for all the crap that has pervaded comic books for too long.

I'm a bit grumpy about them side-stepping the Roh family. It's not a family I'm familiar with from the comics.

Episode 11 11 "A Brief Reminiscence In-Between Cataclysmic Events"

I also liked Framework4's comment about the conversation. But I got a little worried about the phone call at the end. It makes me wonder if we're going to see some powerful stressors in the Kent family.

And we have to wait until mid-July! Wow.

I found myself disliking this version of Clark. I fast forwarded thru the latter half of season one and in season two found myself unhappy with the way they handled Lucy Lane and Natalie Irons.
Lucy because this is Lucy is so much less than the Lucy in Supergirl.
I'm especially disappointed that Sam and the boys aren't really getting to know Natalie. I've known several people who got to meet siblings and grandchildren as adults and never have they been as unemotional as the characters in S&L.

I figure the show's budget can't afford Natalie and Lucy at the same time but still, I keep hoping there will be a meeting between them and have Lucy recognize Natalie. It could turn out that all this Lucy's problems stem from waking up one day to find herself with two sets of memories due to the changes from the multiverse collapse and rebirth.

Lucy has never been a stable character. She has had ups and downs in comics and series. I was disappointed that Supergirl didn't give her a proper conclusion. After season 1 we never heard about her anymore. That said, there's a 6 years gap between her last appearance in Supergirl and now. While somethings are different, she may have had a similar past. In a flashback she said she lost her job and her fiance. It drove her to depression and made her vulnerable to Ally's cult. Also, in this reality her mother left them when Lucy was very young. In the versions were she was raised by Lois and Sam she has had linguering problems as an adult. In Lois and Clark Ellen was an alcoholic absent mother. In Smallville she died early. In both cases it affected Lucy's personality making her an immature and problematic adult.


But to be fair they are not related. Sam didn't have a granddaughter in this reality because Lois lost the baby. The same applies to Lucy. I guess the boys are addapting fairly well considering they never had a sister. Natalie also didn't have brothers, she was an only child and we don't know if her mother had a sister. She had Sam as grandfather, but Sam has always been emotionally distant; even with the boys he's stiff and cold. Lois already told Clark how she feels guilty because she didn't feel anything when she got to know Natalie. But it's understandable. She is not her daughter. She would have a daughter called Natalie if she had not lost the baby, but she wouldn't be this same Natalie. She would be Clark's daughter for a starter, not another man's. And Natalie may resent Lois because, although she looks like her mother, she choose another life and built another family. And judging by the last episode, she still doesn't trust Clark. They are all struggling, but it's an awkward situation for all of them.

Lucy couldn't recognize Natalie because there has never been a Natalie on this Earth. Natalie didn't exist in Lucy's old life, too. She's from another Earth, not from the erased Earth-38.

I still hope Lucy will redeem herself helping to defeat Ally in the ending, thus recovering her confidence and finding a new purpose for her life, because she will realize she is stronger and more capable than she thinks.

Andreia

Just as a sad PSA:

Given what's currently going on with the new management at The CW, signs are pointing towards the upcoming season 3 being the final season. Of course, nothings written in stone yet, though, personally, I'm not expecting a 4th season as of now.

Michael

That would be a shame. Though I'm wondering how the third season will play out. Season 1 and 2 have another version of Superman as a villain. While that is certainly interesting, it will be boring if they continue that for a third season. On the other hand, Intergang seems like an almost weak opponent compared to the superpowered ones.

I really hope not. I enjoy Superman & Lois and it's the only Superman show that my husband will watch with me. He keeps asking me to write fics for the show and I tell him I can't help it that all my ideas are Lois & Clark. I heard the show won't return for a while, but I do know they are filming Season 3 still. I do hope it does well and keeps going.

CarrieRene, unless I'm completely off my game, the official line is "held for midseason", so it will normally be on air starting early 2023. /checks internet/ Best info I got was March 2023.

Michael

I heard it was set for midseason also.